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Pro-Choice..Woman's Choice


If you think women should have a choice about abortions then you are at the right place. Feel free to tell stories or just leave a comment. I would really like a banner! I started this wiki because I feel that every woman should have the choice. I am also going to have a page for "pro-lifers" to have a say, but first we need more people to join! I will have pictures of the March in DC, the largest humans right march in the world! 1.2 MILLION! please leave a comment on why you are pro-choice!




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[Vampire Mariam] I believe women should have the right to do what they think is right when the get pregnant. I know some women who get pregnant by accident may not be able to raise a child, or want to raise a child. What if the condom broke? What if she got raped?...it is her choice....I AM NOT pro-abortion!!.....it is for the woman to decide!!!! not the goverment or any one else!


[Scooz] I must agree that women should be allowed to have abortions, but I do not like the ones that wait til they are 6 months along or more because by then the baby has had too much time to develop. But I have been raped before and if he would have gotten me pregnant and I could not abort his child, it would not have been a pretty picture. Do not bring a child into this world if you do not want it, because you are ruining their life and yours.


[Rondel] I have seen too many situations which could best be addressed by terminating the pregnancy, and have myself been through the procedure, including in a situation where the egg, though fertilized, did not develop; without that procedure, the hyperemesis which caused me to throw up every 15 minutes round the clock could not have been stopped -- and I would still have wound up miscarrying, because there was no developing embryo, just a "blighted ovum".
The worst, though, was a situation in which a relative of mine faced a back-alley abortion after an incestuous relationship forced on her by her adoptive step-father, in the days before abortion was legalized in the US. I will never be able to understand *anyone* who can claim that a person in that position should be constrained by law from terminating a pregnancy which has not yet produced a child.
Where there is no brain activity, human life is deemed to have ended, so I cannot consider it to have begun when the brain and nervous system have not yet formed and connected


[Kayne] abortion should be legal , what if you were a crack whore and you got pregnant by accicent ? do you think that child is going to be happy ? no . What if you were 16 and you had a accident ? do you think she will can take care of it ? probably not
abortion = legal!!!!!!!


[Delight] What drives me insane is that fact that the people who don't support abortion and wish to ban it also don't support the health care for the woman when she has her child, or even before. They dont fund the orphanage, or somewhere that can help her raise it. They dont fund the homeless shelters enough because if the woman has a child that she can not handle or afford, thats where she is going to end up. Its an idiodic thing to abolish abortion because freedom requires it, and also because there is nothing to help the people who are forced to have children because of it. The people who dont get to go to school because they had to leave to have and care for their child. When such occurs, if the woman does not marry a rich man, which is even more unlikely because she already has a kid (Atleast statistically), she will become a lower class member of society, whoooooo guess what peoples, is not supported well enough at all by a government that would abolish abortion.
 If a woman were to die, if she would keep the child, or the child were to die. Is that okay? If they were to die of starvation or cold because they cannot now afford heat or food or clothes, is that okay? Is it alright for someone to make a decision for everyone else that makes them, instead of ridding themselves of an unwanted pregnancy, die from hunger or cold? Its an extreme version of the situation, but it does happen. I know that for a fact. So a painful misrable death, or a painless one? If you're personally religious, is that right in the eyes of your deity? If you're not, is that right in the eyes of your morals?
What if the woman was raped? What about keeping the child then. The psychological damages from that would be amazing. For both mother and child.
There is also the thing that the people who get rid of it in the first place are men.
Also, think. If a woman were to find out that she was going to have a child who was seriously retarted or disabled. Such to a point that the kid would not live past birth, or to a point that the kid would be absolutly misrable for their entire life, if they survived that long. Such to a point that if the parent died, they would end up in an institution of some kind. Is that alright? Does that make sense to have a child like that? Does it make sense to create someone who will have a horrible and misrable existance?
Lastly, why do they think that they can make such a decision for the rest of the world. Its amazingly stupid. Those who abolish it could just not have abortions themselves. Do they really have to take control of everone elses choice, or lack of? Do they really have the Right to make it so that no one else could have even the option of having an abortion?
Sorry about the rant, but its just how i feel about it, and was relieved to be able to write it down and get it all out.


[Dil*]:
This is a touchy subject that is not just black and white, there's alot of grays in it. Sure It's terrible to get rid of a unborn child, but wouldn't it be just as terrible if a child was born to parents who didn't really want them in the first place. They would grow up in a hellish environment with little love and maybe it would of been better if they weren't born. Young mothers are confused and sometimes not able to take care of a child properly as well. I also think women should have a bigger say in this issue, hell, guys don't have to carry the child around in their bloody stomachs. I'm not a religious person and i frankly don't care if you're religious or not, BUT...when peoiple try to bring religion into things like this, it's very irritating to me. If the woman wants the abortion and she's not religous, she doesn't need bloody religious fanatics parading around the abortion clinic. If they're not religious, they DO NOT care about your ideals and whatnot. It's their decision if they want to get an abortion and they have to live with the consequences. Oh well, I'm going to hell now, wait, I've come to that conclusion ages ago...don't mind me, i have a messed up sense of humor. (I'm an aetheist anyways, so i don't care)


[Veltzeh] (founder of Pro-Choice League)
In my opinion, abortion should be legal, offered free in hospitals and encouraged if the woman has the slightest doubt that she wouldn't want to have the baby. In today's over-populated world all children should be wanted and they shouldn't have to spend even a small part of their lives in orphanages living off of the society's money that could be used for something else. Yes, I realize my opinion is very harsh, but there it is.
Finally, a question to think about: Why are those who oppose abortion often religious fanatics who likely have never read even basic biology, while those who are pro-choice are often doctors and other educated people who know their biology, physiology and even ethics?


[Hermes322] I think that it's better to get an abortion done by a doctor, in an office as opposed to a back alley by a creepy guy who offers to show kids puppies.


[Icetigris] I believe that the only people who should even have a say in these laws are women. Men don't have to deal with it so they should stay out of it. Also, I find it ridiculous that people value the life of a 40-celled blastocyst over a thinking, truly living, conscious woman who can feel physical and emotional pain. That ball of cells has no more consciousness than a potato; potatoes don't have rights, so why should something cognitively equivalent have rights, just because it has human DNA? I was at the March for Women's Lives and saw a great sign pointing out an interesting parallel: in China, the government forces abortion, in the US, the government is trying to force women to have babies they don't want. In both situations, it's not whether or not the people want to kill the baby (as anti-choice people are wont to say), it's about whether or not women have a choice about what to do with their own bodies. Whatever happened to separation of church and state?


[FireGypsy] I have read over your opinions on pro-choice. I beleive the mother should have a choice. I also beleive that abortion should be legal, under certain conditions. If you were a victim of incest, if the baby has a fatal or developing fatal disease, If the baby HAS aquired a fatal disease from the mother, if either the baby or the mother or both will die during pregnancy or labor. Other than that they abortionist should tell that mother NO! Millions of Women every year have abortions simply because they cant afford the kid, their parents wont let them, they have been raped, or because they simply dont want one. Well if you cant afford one...you shouldnt have had sex. If you dont want one...you shouldnt have had sex. If the mother doesnt want the baby for reasons such as stated above then the mother should have the baby and give it up for adoption. Those doctors should say "No. maam you cannot kill that baby in you. That baby is in no danger and neither are you. You must have the baby and put it up for adoption if you dont want it that bad."


[Arbor] It is simply the choice for which I stand. Give me the CHOICE. If you are against abortion then keep your child. Do not try to make my decision for me; let me deal with the consequences.


[sophomoric] I've debated a long while whether or not I should put up my stance here, but I've concluded that perhaps I should. This is a page about choice, and none should question my stance lest they wish for their own to be put to question. I am in a position where there is significant moral confliction. To begin, I am a vegetarian. What does this have to do with pro-choice? A lot. Just because I have taken a moralistic position against something that I feel is wrong, does not mean that I, or anyone else have the right to impose this position on others. I believe that animals and babies should live, but I do not believe that it is a pick and choose situation. In order to follow an omnivorous diet, animals have to die, and this is a concept that people don't even blink an eye at most of the time.

Pregnant women (I will not call them mothers under such circumstances) that decide they should like to get an abortion are rather inversely viewed as evil and terrible individuals. That carries a double standard from a moralistic perspective. Therefore, it is my stance that I don't respect the arguments of any pro-choicers unless they don't have a moralistic double standard.

That may seem a little cold and heartless, but as I regard animals as highly as I do humans (higher in a wondrous variety of cases) I find it almost comical that people can use an argument of potential. We, as humans, have warped the course of nature more than any other creature, under the argument that this is our earth given to us from any variety of deities. If that is their argument, then fine, mine is that women were given their bodies from any number of deitical figures, and just as we have spoiled the earth, let them do to their body as they will; there are far worse ways a child could die, all of them taking place when they are aware of their own existence.

As for the adoption argument; the world is over-populated as it is, outlawing abortion would cause another massive rise in the population, by millions if previous figures hold true.

Conclusion: It truly IS a choice just as we all, invariably, have choices.

[Tolmeni] I think it's rather telling that most of the anti-abortion zealots are male, who will never suffer through a pregnancy or labor that threatens their life and the life of their child. I don't believe in abortions when the fetus is too far along, but when the life of the woman is in serious danger, or there is no chance of she or the baby having any hope of a positive life, or if the baby will be born addicted to illegal substances...I think abortion is a viable option.

[AbLam] Whether it is the right or wrong thing to do, it is still a choice. No one but the woman who is having the baby should be able to choose. I'm sorry, but there isn't a good excuse for outlawing women's right to choose. Period.

[P(e)Ta] NO-ONE but the woman involved had the right to make a decision as to whether or not she goes through with her pregnancy (especially not conservative twats who are male and will never know the pain of having to choose). However, abortion should not be used as a form of emergency contraception. Girls still have to be responsible, but the choice should still be there!

[bodhranbabe] What I hate are the bumper stickers that say, "Smile, your mother was pro-life!" I'm sorry, but my mother was pro-choice, and she chose to have me. Being pro-choice is just as much about the positive choice as it is the negative. It's about the option

[a faerie tale] When they scream "murderer" at me because I'm Pro-Choice, I feel the panic rise in my throat. I want to run, I want to yell, "Not me! I'm a moral person. I'm trying to help!" Those people have a right, I guess. It's what they believe. So I've got to face it, and be strong-- . POC's, "products of conception", that's what we're supposed say. "tissue" "termination" But when that machine starts, it's not just "tissue" that's sucked out. It's life: potentially human life. And like the Buddhists, I believe in "reverence for life". That's why I'm a vegetarian. But I also believe that conception should be a blessing. My brother's wife: when she's pregnant she sings lullabies, she organizes everything she eats and drinks-- she makes herself a perfect vessel. But you can't order a woman to do that! Not by bullying! What makes those people out there think a person can be frightened into goodness? Oh, give it up for adoption, they say! How can a mother do that? Carry a baby under her heart for nine long months and then give it away? Once it grows and moves it's a part of you. Loved, the way you love your own knees, or your breasts. And does your responsibility end, if you hand it over? What about Lisa Steinberg's mother? Does she sleep nights, now? She thought her daughter was going to be given every advantage, not tortured to death. Even a good adoption-- suppose you're a concert violinist, and your baby goes to a family that's tone deaf, that thinks music is noise....? Who would want to live that life? Who would want to give a child that life?

Add your name to the list of pro-choice people

1. [Vampire Mariam]
2. [Kisama]
3. [brandi_080786]
4. [Kiss_Me_Bum]
5. [Mitsune]
6. [Carol Lynn]
7. [Pale-Suzie]
8. [Blackshire]
9. [sarah l b]
10. [minifer]
11. [Scooz]
12. [dimmu_borgir3212]
13. [Arbor]
14. [Lily~]
15. [Tidd3]
16. [Rondel]
17. [Nukleopatra]
18. [VorpalBlade910]
19. [ei33]
20. [Fallen_Angel_666]
21. [Tehrror]
22. [Project Elysium]
23. [kate katastrophe]
24. [Kayne]
25. [Glorybox.]
26. [Tormenta]
27. [deja vu, mi amor]
28. [Veltzeh]
29. [Your Christ Is Dead]
28. [Mania Rage]
29. [Delight]
30. [Davorah]
31. [x_bubblicious]
32. [Alfirin Lindlea]
33. [Christie Shadow]
34. [// Grace //.And..Bend]
35. [Carol Lynn]
36. [Furr]
37. [Dil*]
38. [Pyra]
39. [Yoruno]
40. [Magic Circle]
41. [sophomoric]
42. [Doormat]
43. [how about no?]
44. [Hermes322]
45. [Icetigris]
46. [Tiezu Star]
47. [Elrohir Elensar]
48. [God called in sick today]
49. [BrokenPromise7x]
50. [Pillowthief]
51. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
52. [Not Here!]
53. [My Chemical Erin]
54. [Sue Falkenkralle]
55. [Anduraja]
56. [Bullet with Butterfly Wings]
57. [JinXTheMoodieAl]
58. [Morrigon]
59. [tiragon]
60. [Nostradamia]
61. [Jinji-Chan]
62. [Hazel]
63. [to a new?]
64. [jojo-kun]
65. [Anon Y. Mous]
66. [CharlotteCrying]
67. [Lashinnian]
68. [Tolmeni]
69. [Rosie.]
70. [*~A Cure For Contempt~*]
71. [AbLam]
72. [P(e)Ta]
73. [bodhranbabe]
74. [kaomi]
75. [Yiwerra]
76. [Bad Wolf]
77. [I stabbith ye]
78. [Eldanár Oronar]
79. [a faerie tale]
80. [kay-chan]
81. [Hufflepuff Lolita]
82. [deranged-bugosh]
83. [Bad Wolf]
84. [Blue Raspberries and Grape Juice]
85. [Cenyre]

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2004-05-30 [Vampire Mariam]: could people please make banners???

2004-06-05 [reggaewitch^_-]: what kind of banner???

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: a pro-choice banner!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *laughs* oiy, i mean like a letter one or a pic one?

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: whatever.....are u for choice? cuz u said we should not have the choice....

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: well you didn't clear;y stat WHAT choice you were making a point of though...

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: kk

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: r u still becoming a member?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: i still am all for the womens choices though!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: kool!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: when should we not have the choice?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: when we are going to tkae a life of something hat didn't choose to be born but is going to be killed anyway!

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: so u r saying that we should not have a choice?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: only in that subject when it includes killing an innocent life

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: urm....."pro-choice" means that the woman should make a choice about an abortion....your saying its killing..to you.....but do you think that all woman shuld not have the choice?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes... im sorry but i don't think we should have a choice on the matter even though this wiki is supporting abortion

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: so you are saying that a woman should NEVER have an abortion?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: what if she gets raped? or the condom broke?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: why would she hate the child??? it wasn't its fault to get born... have the mother give the child away if she doesn't want it... then some couple that's been hoping to have a child for some time can actually have one

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: every child a wanted child.....there are soo many children in foster homes and the such....if you get raped, you are going to feel awful...then you have this baby that you feel bad about....it choice! she may want the baby!...what if the mother can not take care of the baby? or she is going to school

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: every child a wanted child.....there are soo many children in foster homes and the such....if you get raped, you are going to feel awful...then you have this baby that you feel bad about....it choice! she may want the baby!...what if the mother can not take care of the baby? or she is going to school?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: have you not ever asked any social workers how long the list is for couples looking for babies to raise?!!?!? its huge! (im betting) but at least you give the baby a choice to live

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: if a couple want a baby why dont they make one?!?!...its the mothers choice to do what she want to her baby!! the goverment nor the church should tell her what to do with it!! just becuz there are peole wanting a baby does not mean she should have the baby...CHOICE....you would not have an abortion....if i got raped i would have one.....its my choice...

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *sighs* a quarter of all couples can't have kids... and haven't you eer heard of those sad stories about kids made from rape victims getting abused by their mothers alot??? im not saying ALL do but crap happens. so if the mother don't want the kid, give it up to a better life and if the mother wants the kid... then what's the problem?

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: what if the mother cant go to school becuz she is preggs, what if she cant get a job? what if her parents are mad at her and wont help? what do you think she is going to do?!?! its her chioce! not for you to decide...."land of the free"....

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: a girl can go to school until she starts showing... she can maybe get homeschooled... if the girl was raped i wouldn't be able to understand why they wouldn't help but if she got pregnant under stupidity... her parents should at least help her out till she has the baby and she can get a job... but what about the babies choice?

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: i dont see it as a "baby" yet......and if the mother is ok with "killing" it....then thats her choice....getting pregnant can really mess up ur life.....what if the woman had a medical problem with her baby? like it was deformed and it was a hazerd to have the child..shuld she have an abortion?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: i've thought about that too... but maybe then the women should be able to have the choice because its with medical reasons... bu the baby is still a baby when its in the mothers womb its just called a 'fetus'... i know the hazards it can do to women in life... but sometimes its a blessing to them later on

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: ...how can it be a blessing to them?....the mother should make her descions....not the church, not the state, woman should decide there fate!....i went on the largest pro-choice march ever....1.2 million woman and men came.....all for the right for choice.....it was amazing...but anyway....woman where walking around with tees that said "i hade an abortoin."..where they wrong for doing that?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes, i think so becuase sometimes a mother can be going in the wrong direction in her life and the baby will make her grow and appreciate life...

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: what if she can not take care of a baby and her self? few have money, home, job, two parents...its her choice...mabey she can have a child and take care of it.....

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: then by all means if she has the ability to take care of the child... do so, but if she can't give it up

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: ok.....i have to go....we shall talk more later?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes we shall *-*

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: For the most part, I'm pro-life...with an exception contrary to yours. It's wrong to take their lives...the only situation I think choice should be allowed, is in a rape. Rape is...lets not even get into that...just bad. If the condom breaks, people should be forced to conceive, it's there faults for having sex and not being smarter.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: so are you for or against abortion???

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: So...which list would I belong on? o.o

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I'm against all abortions...except for rape.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yea,i think you belong on the con-choice one like me... i think women should have a choice on abortion if its for medical reasons though...

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Well, I agree with the medical reasons, but only if the baby is going to have some lethal/painful/just generally terrible disease...if it's just a deformity, they should have to conceive.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yea that's true, but if the babies a danger to the mother's life, then it should go... (so to speak)

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I suppose. Hmm. They should just make a rule...for the people without medical problems who weren't raped. Like...they can get abortions if they want, but they don't use anesthetic so it's extremely painful, and then they give you a forced sex change on the spot...That would so work.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: ow... that'd be unjust and cruel don't you think?

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Unjust and cruel...yet funny in a sad way. ^.^

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: hmm interesting way to put it

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Why thank you sir.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: im not a guy! is miss to you youngin! lol

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I prefer sir, sir. lol

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes but i prefer miss, miss

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Am I a pretty girl?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: no your hott

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Hott...is icky. I want to be pretty. o.o

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *laughs* your a guy boyo! live up to it! oiy, were straying from the arguement!

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: o.o Oh yeah. ! IS NOT!!!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: yes it is! how does wanting to be pretty and smart have to do with abortion??

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Pretty people who lack smarts are the ones who need abortions! I win!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: who would you say are the pretty ones?!!?

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I don't know any part of what I'm saying!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: i thought so!!

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Me too!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *laughs*

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: *coughs*

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *rolls eyes*

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: *pokes you*

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *sticks tongue out*

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: *grabs your tongue* Bwa ha ha ha.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *smacks your hand* were straying from the subject! vampiregirl is going to delete this all!

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: Why should we care if it's deleted?

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: your getting inappropriate! and i don't want her to think otherwise about me!

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: How did I get inappropriate? I didn't do anything aside from grabbing a tongue that was stuck out at me.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *laughs* nothing

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: AHA!!!!!

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *rolls eyes*

2004-06-06 [Lethargic Panda]: I'm telling.

2004-06-06 [reggaewitch^_-]: *sneers*

2004-06-06 [Vampire Mariam]: what are you two doing?....*smiles*....looks a little....."inappropriate"......

2004-06-06 [Blackshire]: hello

2004-06-06 [minifer]: hey hey gurlys

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